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A short list of things I love about Crystal Palace:

- Genuinely and from the bottom of my heart, I love what a mess this girl is. She's not any more of a mess than anyone else in this show, but I'm so delighted by how much she's *allowed* to be a mess, how her selfishness and her past self's cruelty are treated as things she can grow from, while her snark and cynicism are treated as traits worth having

- I love the change in Crystal with losing her memories, how just the ability to tell herself that even if they weren't here someone out there loved her, created this incredible shift in her. How she became someone who fights for other people, a voice for the dispossessed, the way she advocates for Becky even when she barely knows the boys.

- I love her resilience in dealing with David, the way that she bears up under his harassment and stalking and the weight that's given to that. 

- I love that it's her determination to remember Esther's victims - even those we never met - that ultimately defeats Esther. I love her standing up and demanding justice and getting it.

- Crystal is the character who I was most excited to see in season 2. There's so much room for her to develop from here, so much more to explore in the relationship between her past self and her new one, her old fucked up life and her new fucked up life. There's so much potential in her powers and the legacy of her ancestors that she's hardly begun to unlock

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There's a common thread in Charles' impulsive decisions

He possesses Esther in episode one because he dragged himself up from the ground to see that Esther had knocked Edwin across the garden with her cane. So he did whatever the fuck he had to do to make that not happen again.

He grabs the vase in episode two because they're on a deadline to get back to Niko, and he smashes it because the skeleton grabbed Edwin and he had to get its hands off him.

He knocks the Night Nurse into a sea monster in episode four because she put him through his own hell, and then she threatened to do the same to Edwin.

He abandoned his afterlife despite Edwin's protest that that is not how you make decisions, based on however you happen to be feeling in the moment, because he means to spend his afterlife the same way he spent his life: putting himself between other people and the bad shit.


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Thinking about Crystal in Ep 3 talking about how Charles is the only one who has her back, and then grudgingly admitting that Edwin had her back as well, and how few people in her life have ever been unequivocally on her side.

Thinking about Jenny moving to London, and keeping in touch because she would, and ending up being the kids' go-to responsible adult very much against her will, because there isn't anyone else, and Jenny is, despite herself, unable to turn her back on a kid in trouble.

Thinking about Crystal getting into some scrape that really needs a living human adult to help her out of, and realising that for the first time in her life she has an adult she can call who will actually help her.


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I genuinely love Charles and Crystal. I love how they each give the other something they want - Charles is desperate for a connection to the living world, and Crystal wants someone who has her back unconditionally. And I love how they give each other something they need - Crystal pushes Charles to deal with the things he's been pushing down, and Charles shows Crystal that it's possible to choose kindness even when you're not used to receiving it.

I think they fall together less because of any fundamental compatibility than because they're both lonely and stressed and looking for something the other one can give them. But I also think the care they feel for each other is real. And I think it makes them happy.

I think they can be good for each other, and I think they're inarguably important to each other.

And at the end of the day Crystal is growing up. And Charles is always going to be 16.


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A lot has been said about Edwin and Crystal's argument in Episode one, and I endorse a lot of it.

But I suspect there's another factor adding to Edwin's blow up, and it's that Edwin spends most of episode one terrified that he's going to fuck up and Becky is going to die and it will be his fault.

He argued against taking the case because he's the cautious one that looks for ways that things might go wrong, but that was an argument he was never going to win, and they both knew it. Charles raised his eyebrows and asked if Edwin was really going to let a little American girl die, and Edwin folded like a cheap suit.

Only they get there and it's more complicated than they planned for. They can't go in and get Becky because there's a witch involved and she'll see them, and he doesn't have his usual resources, and Charles is distracted, and Crystal is lying and hiding things and becoming unreliable without warning, and Charles is taking her side...

And none of that is Crystal's fault! She's sixteen, and traumatised, and doesn't know him, and genuinely doesn't realise he cares. She's afraid he's going to abandon her the second she becomes inconvenient. Of course she's keeping secrets. She's not fucking around with a child's life for her amusement, she's trying to survive.

But he's not being facetious when he says that David could jeopardise the Becky Aspen case.

He's terrified that because he's off his game and doesn't have all the information and is in a strange town, that he's going to fail to solve the case and this little girl is going to die (like he died; like Charles died) and there will never be justice for her.


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One of the things I’m missing the most when I think about not getting a season 2 (and, by the same token, one of the things I love seeing in fanfic) is getting to see more of Crystal and Edwin growing into a relationship.

I think their back-and-forth would start to be a real point of entertainment for both of them, still with sharp edges but with a thread of warmth underlying it that belies the snippy tones. I think Crystal would start to keep a mental list of all the things that she can tweak Edwin’s tail about that will genuinely annoy him, but not cause any real harm (and a parallel list of things that aren’t funny, that make him shut down for real or retreat into stiff formality or foist her off on Charles until he can get himself together.) I think they would slip effortlessly back and forth between snarking at each other and ganging up on the rest of the world (Charles and Niko excepted) while Charles watches with stars in his eyes.

I want to see them showing up for each other, defending each other with words and with magic and with the right piece of information at the right time. I want to see them looking to each other for honesty, because they both know how to be cruel when they have to, and sometimes you need someone to just tell you the truth. I want to see them both understanding what it’s like to be someone who doesn’t think of themself as kind, or likeable, or good, but is trying.

I have so much love for snarky characters who are kind and generous and caring, but not necessarily nice or comfortable. I adore the kind of complicated friendship where you know you can trust their kindness because you’ve seen them at their most ruthless. They make me crazy. They could be so good for each other. They are so good for each other. I want to see where it goes.


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YMMV but I don’t really feel an impulse to try to pin down a single overarching reason why Charles decided not to go to his afterlife. I think motivations are messier than that.

I think he was afraid while he was dying, and Edwin made him less afraid; I think he was afraid of going to an unknowable afterlife and Edwin offered him an alternative.
I think he’d fought so hard for every inch of joy he could get and didn’t want to give it up, and he had dreams of a better future he’d never gotten to see come true, and this wasn’t the same as getting to live, but at least he could still see the world he should have gotten to grow up in.
I think Edwin had been kind to him, and Charles makes friends easily, and going off with a kind person who wished they could have been friends for longer felt better than facing the unknown alone.
I think Edwin was a light for him on the darkest night of his life, and Charles, who wants desperately to be a hero, to make a difference, to help, latched onto that and decided that was what he wanted to be.

I don’t think you can nail it down to one thing. Motivations are complicated and all exist at once, and they shift and change with time and circumstance.

Charles tells the Night Nurse that he’s here because he still has a purpose: he’s a dead boy detective. He tells Edwin that he’s not going anywhere without him. Maybe those reasons aren’t why he ran from Death in 1989, but they’re why he’s running now.

My bias is that I don’t tend to be as compelled by the idea of love at first sight, or soulmates as something that happens to you. I’m more interested in the idea that you can capture someone’s attention quickly, but love is something you build. Charles and Edwin spent 34 years building a life together. If they’re soulmates, that’s why.


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It’s not entirely clear from the filming of the hell sequences whether there are gaps between, e.g. the curtains in Limbo and the rotating section of wall in Lust. My sense is that the intended interpretation is that doorways in hell are more like interdimensional portals, and how they look on one side has nothing to do with how they look on the other, in which case maybe the hole behind the claw game in Gluttony and the door with the exit sign in the Doll House are just different sides of the same portal and the difference in appearance is aesthetic.

But I am choosing to ignore that interpretation because the angst potential of Edwin finding a sign in the Doll House that claims to be an exit and diving through the door only to find a blank wall that he has to carve his way through with his own bones in order to get out is just top tier.


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@gendrsoup tagged my “I need more Crystal and Edwin growing into their friendship” post with:
#YES PLEASE#I LOVE THEIR FRIENDSHIP I ADORE THEM#fav#I NEED THE FIC RECS SO BADLY

so… here’s some messy disaster besties Crystal & Edwin fic recs

An Unformed Life by takadainmate - 1 chapter, 12 497 words
Incredible character study of Crystal figuring out how she fits with the boys post canon and making space for herself in the agency and her and Edwin finding their footing with each other (and also some solid Edwin whump.)

A Room Of One’s Own by DarkStars - 1 chapter, 11 192 words
Crystal perspective on payneland generally failing to figure their shit out while she rolls her eyes and snaps at them for the frankly unreasonable amounts of sexual tension in the office. Also includes some really lovely soft moments of understanding between Edwin and Crystal towards the end.

A Teenage Psychic’s Guide to Having a Mostly Probably Functional Life by @acediscowlng - WIP, ½ chapters so far, 5 557 words
Lovely Crystal character study ft. Crystal and Edwin watching some of Niko’s movies together. I love how much Crystal gets to just be a traumatized grieving 17 year old in this fic, trying to figure out how to stay friends after a breakup and how to be nice when you don’t really like yourself that much, and how Edwin meets her where she’s at in all her dysfunctional glory, it feeds my soul.

Dance the Night by Gruoch - 11 chapters, 69 182 words
Very intense plot-heavy rollercoaster of a story - a casefic in which Charles ends up in a dangerous situation and Edwin and Crystal have to team up to get to him while risking their lives to protect each other against a seriously terrifying opponent and bickering like cats and dogs the whole while. Lots of angst for everyone, but especially Edwin.

how could anything bad ever happen to you - 1 chapter, 11 070 words
Really fascinating dynamics both between Crystal and Edwin and Crystal and Charles. Lots of neat worldbuilding around the plot as well, which focuses on the gang trying to get Niko back. Has a sequel which is also very good (but less Crystal-centric)

Iphigenia by @e-vasong - 1 chapter, 9 567 words
Vampire AU where the boys are vampires instead of ghosts, and Crystal was enthralled by David before the boys rescued her. I love the nuanced take on Crystal and the way her relationship with Edwin especially changes over the course of the fic. (Also highly recommend this author’s other work!)

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Shorter fics:

I’m Bitter But I Swear I’m Fine by @cordelia-noir - 727 words, Edwin comforting Crystal after her parents have let her down, very sweet.

We’ll Work On It by @ahyperactivehero - 1716 words, Edwin and Crystal working on magic and bonding over rich neglectful parents, hardcore sibling vibes, adorable.


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Hell demanded ruthlessness from Edwin.

He had to push himself past the limits of human endurance, to set aside his own pain and horror because they couldn’t help him. He had to dodge past the tormented souls in Gluttony and Lust and ignore the weeping frozen faces in Limbo, because there is nothing he can do for them and trying would cost him time he can’t spare.

(How many times did he try? how many times did he stop, try to reason with them, and die for it, before he concluded there was nothing to be done?)

We see flashes of that ruthlessness in the show. He’s immune to Emma’s attempts to play for sympathy. He insists Niko “do better” and provide them with useful information, because if she doesn’t she’ll die (like he did, over and over and over, until his efforts were finally good enough.) He zeroes in on the problem in the Devin house - the murder mystery or lack thereof - rather than consoling the client for her loss.

I think Charles softens that side of him a lot - not just in the way he catches him and reminds him of his bedside manner, but in the way he holds space in Edwin’s heart, the way that having Charles welded to his side makes it impossible for him to cut himself off from the world.

He stumbled out of hell after 73 years of having to shut down any consideration for his own or anyone else’s suffering… and stumbled into a boy his own age, the victim of bullying just like him, dying unjustly like he did, a boy whose relentless friendliness even as he’s dying manages to draw a smile from him. A boy he can comfort, whose pain and fear he can actually do something about, because this is not hell, and kindness here will not get him killed. A boy who deserved better, who died defending others in a way Edwin probably hardly believed possible anymore, who inspires him to see the good in the world, someone who would gently remind him about his bedside manner when his mind is telling him that caring about other people is dangerous.

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I think Edwin was really lucky he met Charles when he did I think there was a possibility for him to have ended up in a very dark place after getting out of hell I think Charles' need for help unlocked something he had spent 73 years trying to bury and that rediscovered ability to help; to make a difference; to make one small thing better ended up being the centre of their shared afterlife
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I love Edwin’s clumsy kindness; the way he struggles to connect with and understand people but he tries.

He tells Charles when they first meet that he’s not good with people. He probably never has been, and hell can’t have helped (70 years alone, where he had to close himself off against any empathy because if he tried to stop to help anyone else it would cost him time he didn’t have.) We see how he stumbles in his efforts to engage with strangers, how he doesn’t understand Monty’s interest in him, how he struggles to sympathise with Crystal’s fears, how sharpness comes easier for him than vulnerability.

But he tries and he keeps trying. He doesn’t have the context or the emotional intelligence to understand Charles’ headspace after the Devlin house, but he keeps offering to listen, to help if he can. He reassures Crystal that it’s who she is now that matters. He catches himself when Shelby snaps at him, and listens gently to her, and doesn’t try to dismiss her version of events again, even though he’s reserving judgment.

He’s not good with people, but he spent 35 years risking being sent back to hell so other people could have the justice he never got. He doesn’t see the hurt that Charles carries around, but he gave him an afterlife where he was loved completely and unconditionally and felt safe. (As long as I’ve got my best mate, and a case to solve, I’m aces.) He’s scared shitless of how Crystal is upending the most important relationship of his existence, but he’s not going to let her get hurt.


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Thinking about the scene of Edwin and Charles on the cliff at the end of Ep 4, and how painful it is watching Charles shrug off that attempted offer of comfort. How it feels so obvious as a viewer that Edwin just needs to push past that initial flinch to be there for Charles…

But Edwin and Charles have a really clear pattern of not pushing each other on painful topics. Charles badgers Edwin about the Cat King, but drops it every time Edwin starts to get defensive. Charles brushes Edwin off about his dad, and Edwin changes the subject. They keep trying, but they don’t force the issue.

I suspect that habit of stepping lightly around each other’s pain, that willingness to leave each other’s scars alone, was essential in the beginning, when Edwin was freshly out of hell and Charles was recently murdered and only slightly less recently living with an abusive parent. I think if Edwin were someone who made a habit of pinning Charles down on things that hurt - Charles whose main coping mechanism is to paste on a smile and look for the bright side, who needs more than anything to feel in control and trusted and like he’s doing something good in the world so that he doesn’t have to dwell on the bad shit - they’d never have made it to this point.

And I do think in that moment on the cliff that Charles needed someone to push past his apparent rejection and tell him that they’ll love him no matter how hard he pushes them away, as Edwin belatedly manages to do at the end of Ep 5.

But I don’t think it was going to happen under these conditions. That’s the tragedy of it - that from our omniscient position, having seen what Charles just experienced, we can guess he might need that extra push. That after 30 years, Edwin could probably get away with that in a way that he couldn’t have in the beginning, in the way that Crystal has been failing to get away with all episode.

But 30 years of habit doesn’t break that easily.


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I don’t think Edwin particularly likes his own cold, self-interested analysis or his quick temper or his venomous tongue. I think he’s accepted them as faults that he probably won’t be able to change, but I don’t think he’s proud of them.

He tells the Cat King that he’s ashamed of wanting to make a case for his innocence, to protect himself in the process of helping others, as though that would undo the good he does. He immediately calls himself out on his own vindictiveness when Despair tells him he was about to gloat over Simon’s suffering.

I don’t think he’s particularly beating himself up for those things, but I do think he thinks of himself as selfish, and possibly cruel, and Charles as the opposite of those things.

Charles is the one who helps Edwin, and their clients, out of the goodness of his heart with no hope of reward. Charles is the one who had the option of heaven and chose Edwin instead. Charles is the one who never has a harsh word to say about anyone. When he says Charles is the best person he knows I think that’s part of what he means: that he sees in Charles all the virtues, the kindness and selflessness, that he thinks he lacks.

(Charles, meanwhile, loves Edwin’s bitchy side, and I think attached himself to Edwin at least in part because the kindness Edwin showed him in his last hours epitomises the good guy he desperately wants to be. But I don’t know if Edwin fully believes that.)

I dunno I just think there’s something fascinating in that - in Edwin’s ruthlessness in holding himself to these impossible standards, and his view of Charles as someone who meets them.


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I have so many feelings about Charles Rowland.

His home life was shit. His dad taught him that nothing he could do would ever be enough. That he should expect people to hurt him. He went to a school where he would probably have been a minority on multiple fronts, and I would assume that the “friends” who tried to commit a racist hate crime in front of him never let him forget it. He was beaten so badly he had potentially fatal internal injuries and then driven into a frozen lake and had rocks thrown at him. His murder was covered up - can’t let those nice rich white boys face consequences after all. He never saw an ounce of justice.

He fought so hard for the joy in his life. He fell in love with music and bought tapes that he probably had to scrape for pennies to afford, and recovered posters from shows so that he could have something in his room that made him happy. He learned to let harsh words roll off him, to pick himself up and dust himself off and keep going. Everyone likes him eventually. He’s a good sort of chap. He had hopes for the future. He wanted to live, to grow up, to have a life with all it’s possibilities.

And then all of that was stolen from him, and he picked himself up, and dusted himself off, and kept going. He keeps smiling, because if he lets himself stop he’s afraid of what will come to the surface. He’s carrying around an ocean of grief, but he still has a purpose. He has his most important person, and work that gives his afterlife meaning, and most days that’s enough. He never got justice, so he fights for justice for other people. He never got to grow up, so he’ll keep other people safe if he can.

I just… this boy kills me. He loves so fucking hard, and he gives so fucking much, and he deserves the world.


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I think there’s an extent to which Edwin plays trauma olympics just because he honestly thinks he’s earned the right to be a bitch about it. If he had to spend 73 years in hell, it’s going to be good for something. (And y'know what? He’s right. He can have this one.)

And I think he does it more with Crystal because her presence is setting off insecurities about his relationship with Charles and he’s lashing out about it. (and because sniping at Crystal feels safe because she gives as good as she gets, so he doesn’t have to feel like he’s picking on someone who can’t defend themself.)

But it’s also a real thing for some people who have been through life-threatening (or life-ending, in Edwin’s case) experiences, especially if they haven’t really processed any of those experiences, to have a hard time giving weight to things that seem less urgent and terrible than the upper end of their own personal scale of Bad Shit. To feel like they can’t afford to spend energy on smaller issues because they never know when they might be back in the middle of the worst thing that ever happened to them and need every resource they can scrounge. And Edwin’s scale for bad things happening is about as broken as it gets.

Like, I do think he plays trauma olympics on purpose to be a bitch, and I love that for him. But I can also believe there’s a real part of Edwin that looks at serious-but-not-life-and-death problems and reflexively dismisses them on the grounds that worrying about them will take up mental energy better spent on surviving being hunted for sport.


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A few years ago I ran across a post talking about flood gifts - things that come out of a terrible experience that are nonetheless good and valuable to you.

I think about that a lot in relation to Charles, because Charles very much strikes me as someone who has made a life (or an afterlife) for himself out of flood gifts. I’m fascinated by the contradictions of him, the way so much of his character consists of things that are fundamentally good and valuable and beautiful, and that come from such heavy and tragic experiences.

His protectiveness, which grew out of the experience of never being safe at home, of being determined to protect his mother even though he was a child and deserved to be protected himself. But that protectiveness is something he’s proud of and should be proud of, something that keeps him and his friends safe, a gift that he gives to the people around him.

His skill with people, which he needed to survive in a house where things could go south at any moment, and to navigate a friend group that ultimately turned on him for being brown and working class and daring to step out of line. But that skill is still worth having. It makes him good at the work he’s chosen to spend his afterlife on, balances Edwin’s brusque manner and puts people at ease, allows him to create warmth and family and safety with people who push others away without even trying.

His relationship with Edwin, who only met him because he was dying. Charles didn’t want to die. He had a life to live, dreams and goals and joys yet to be attained. That he died at sixteen, with so much of his life still unlived, was a tragedy. And also, his death was the start of the most important relationship of his life, with someone who means everything to him and loves him in ways he never was while he was alive. He can grieve his life, and still know he wouldn’t give up his partnership with Edwin to have it back.

There’s a lot to love about Charles Rowland as a character, but this is one that I keep coming back to in my head, the way he made and continues to makes good things out of the horrors and tragedy of his life.


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Edwin was a character who really grew on me over my first watch of the series, and especially over the first episode. Initially he comes across as aloof and distant with everyone but Charles - his cool demeanour with the WWI nurse and “playing hardball” with Emma, his obvious resentment of Crystal’s intrusion into his space and his irritation with Charles for inviting her without asking him.

One of my favourite little character-revealing exchanges in the first episode is Edwin and Charles’ argument in the games cupboard about whether to take the Becky Aspen case - specifically, the way that after Charles lays out all his arguments about taking a break from the office to avoid getting caught by death, he smiles, relaxed and confident, and pulls out what is obviously his trump card:

“You really gonna let a little American girl die?”

And Edwin gives him a longsuffering look, and Charles grins like a madman, and in the next shot they’re in Port Townsend. Because no, Edwin was never going to do that, and they both knew it.

We see more of why he’s like that over the rest of the episode, the flashback to his own murder, and then finally in his argument with Crystal, where that composed facade cracks and we see the thing that drives him, the reason why he’s spent the last 34 years risking getting caught and sent back to hell, the motivation that normally hides behind the sterile excuse that a good detective does what he must to close the case.

Edwin wants justice. For himself, for Charles, for Becky Aspen, and yes, for Crystal too. He wants every death to count, every hurt to matter, every wrong to be righted - or at least acknowledged and given the weight it deserves. He was murdered at sixteen in a hate crime, was sent to hell on a technicality, and dragged himself out to discover that his death had been smoothed over and forgotten. And he’s spent the last 34 years doing everything he can, even at the risk of being sent back, to make sure that kind of thing doesn’t happen to anyone else.


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